Hot take: X11's separation of the window manager and the display server is really good and Wayland is taking a step backward by combining the two.

If KWin crashes or I need to restart it, I shouldn't lose EVERYTHING.

And yes, this does happen.

@IceWolf In fairness, the WM + display server can be separated in Wayland. There's nothing intrinsic to wayland to prevent that.

Wayland is just a protocol, not an application. It's down to the compositor implementor's decision whether the WM and display server run as separate process. It just happens to be simpler to implement them together.

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@j Oh huh, had no clue you /could/ separate them like that!

Someone should write a display server everyone can plug window managers into. 3

@j ... course, that would require ANOTHER protocol soooo never mind.

@IceWolf Welp, ignore my last message. Seems like you figured it out for yourself.

@IceWolf The trouble there is that you now have to decide on a protocol that those WM's speak with the display server, and then need to get people to implement it.

@IceWolf @j there are a few library projects that are a bit like that, e.g. Wlroots and Smithay. I guess that in practice most types "non-mainstream" windows managers will be ported to/reimplemented on Wlroots.

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