Hot take: X11's separation of the window manager and the display server is really good and Wayland is taking a step backward by combining the two.
If KWin crashes or I need to restart it, I shouldn't lose EVERYTHING.
And yes, this does happen.
@patterfloof *cough*ifconfig*cough*
[they're prying my ifconfig from my /cold dead jaws/]
@IceWolf systemd is tech heresy, and I am willing to die on this hill
@patterfloof Honestly we have no strong opinions on systemd. Like it as a service manager like Mac's launchd, don't like how it's trying to do /everything/ (systemd-boot? systemd-resolved?).
@IceWolf In fairness, the WM + display server can be separated in Wayland. There's nothing intrinsic to wayland to prevent that.
Wayland is just a protocol, not an application. It's down to the compositor implementor's decision whether the WM and display server run as separate process. It just happens to be simpler to implement them together.
@IceWolf *processes.
@j Oh huh, had no clue you /could/ separate them like that!
Someone should write a display server everyone can plug window managers into. 3
@j ... course, that would require ANOTHER protocol soooo never mind.
@IceWolf Welp, ignore my last message. Seems like you figured it out for yourself.
@IceWolf The trouble there is that you now have to decide on a protocol that those WM's speak with the display server, and then need to get people to implement it.
@IceWolf also it's good for say, running stuff in wsl
@IceWolf Kwayland isn't considered ready for general usage rn and there are many issues with it.
@squeakypancakes Ready for general usage or not! My issue is with the /design/.
(We've never tried KWayland, but don't want to run into this situation seeing as we sometimes have to restart kwin on X.)
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@IceWolf linux has had a few things in recent years that have just been "we must replace this because it's old. works perfectly fine, but it's old"