@gnupropaganda the truth is... open source software doesn't cover the concept of "ethics" on its model.

So, what Microsoft does is not necessary sabotage, I've always thought that licenses like MIT and BSD "betray" free software communities, delivering the work of communities to companies that do not need to return the final product, even worse , making the final software a spyware (like Google Chrome)

It's therefore a broader problem.

@lorabe @gnupropaganda I actually prefer MIT, BSD, etc. Even for “free software” as opposed to “open source”.

Yeah, people can take my thing and use it in their proprietary program. I happen to be okay with that. It's not like they're taking away the original.

I want to say “here, take my code, do cool things”. Not “take my code, but you have to use this license for your project!”

Of course, I don't think proprietary software is evil, so I guess I'm not a True Free Software person. (:

@lorabe @gnupropaganda I guess my point is, I don't want to restrict my code to only people who like the particular license I've chosen. I want it to be useful to /everyone/.

That also neatly sidesteps the license incompatibility problem. (For the most part.)

@IceWolf @gnupropaganda IMO, that's a contradiction.

On the one hand, you want to share your work to the community without restrictions, which includes the type of license.

At the same time, the most important implementation of your work could potentially not be shared, since you gave them the freedom not to share the improvements of your original work to other people.

It's, the freedom to restrict other freedoms, don't you have a problem with that?

That's good, it's still a contradiction.

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I don't really mind what restrictions people might put on modified versions of my code. I'd rather it be useful to everyone, including them, than only to people who like the particular license I've chosen.

They can only restrict their /modified/ version, not my version, so it's not like they're taking anything away. They're just not sharing like they could. IMO nobody's freedoms are being restricted here.

So no, I don't have a problem with that. (:

@lorabe @gnupropaganda I mean, sure, it's great when they give back. But whether to do that is their choice.

And sometimes companies do give back without being forced! Like Apple releasing Swift under the Apache License (and making the extra effort to port it to Linux, even).

@IceWolf @gnupropaganda that mentality explains a lot why all the BSD family has such a poor hardware support and doesn't compare with their cousin MacOS.

I understand what you mean, in my first post i said that permissive licenses "betray" the ethical nature of free software, i still think that this is true.

@lorabe @gnupropaganda Huh? How is BSD's hardware support a factor of its licensing model? And have you /seen/ NetBSD? I think it runs on pretty much everything. (:

I think BSD simply tends to focus more on server than desktop.

I've actually been messing around with an OpenBSD VM a little bit, and it looks wonderful as a server OS. Not so great for desktop, of course, but it wasn't designed for that.

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